In order to make it easy to locate specific questions within the podcast, you can find the time codes below. 

Introduction: 00:00:01

Q1 Richard Justice: 00:00:46

Q2 Judy Ling Wong OBE – Black Environment Network: 00:02:15

Q3 Pippa Bailey – Independent Consultant: 00:03:21

Q4 Julie Lewis – Teacher: 00:04:41

Q5 Mick Harrington: 00:06:17

Q6 Kati Preston – Multi Cultural Storyteller: 00:07:14

Q7 Brian Hilton – Greater Manchester Coalition of Disabled People: 00:09:39

Q8 Nick Poole: 00:10:42

Q9 John Preston – Education Secretary, Institute of Historic Building Conservation: 00:12:11

Thanking Simon and final comments: 00:13:20

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Do feel free to comment on what Simon’s answers - what do you think about what he said? It’d be great to see more debate on the issues that came up:

• How do we share the power of institutions, curators and experts with the wider community so everyone can have a stake in defining what heritage is?

Also, email us with suggestions for future podcast participants. Is there anyone you’d like to put on the ‘hot seat’?

Following on from the successful ‘Your Place or Mine? Engaging New Audiences with Heritage’ Conference, here’s your chance to ask  Simon about his views on involving communities in the historic environment and how we can take on board different personal and cultural views of heritage.

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She highlighted conference threads; that the heritage sector does have a social responsibility and engaging wider audiences is going to be difficult, but the more strands existent within English heritage, the richer it becomes.

The work required is about “our place” and addressing diversity, which is gender, race, disability, accent, region, how people define themselves and many other things. Additionally it includes mutuality and the removal of associated barriers.

Thanks were given to all those who have participated in making the conference work.

Poet-in-residence Rosie Garner and her team of ‘Text Collectors’ asked delegates to contribute their thoughts and ideas about the issues raised during the conference to create a poem that was performed as part of the closing performance.

Download a copy of the poem – ‘Already Here’. 
 

“Africans were in Britain long before the English were”, (Peter Fryer) was quoted to make the point that people are shocked by this as they don’t realise that Africans migrated to the UK along with the Romans.

Peter Fryer was someone who attempted to change and challenge the truth about black and Asian history in Britain. There’s also an untold story of Islamic slavery; in the first century after Islam, slaves were taken from the east African coast and “mercilessly abused,”. Telling one side of the story is wrong.

The next challenge is more than inclusion - it’s a very difficult conversation about history and heritage and the good and bad of it. The questions are not simply who we are and who owns our heritage, but all the tribes in our country need to ask:

“Would we be who we are without deep interactions with one another?”

Living in the West has given us freedoms, allowed us to open up our lives. Now is the time to ask some interesting questions about being open to each other.

Contrasting opinions of Britishness exist within ‘New Labour’ which need to be addressed:

• David Lammy’s view as spoken about at the conference.
• And Gordon Brown’s version, as mediated through the press.

Discussion of heritage should be approached in terms of its widest interpretation. When we buy into a collective heritage and explore it for what it is, we can understand so much more.

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• Deborah Lamb, Director of Policy & Communications, English Heritage
• Judy Ling Wong, Director, Black Environment Network
• Paul Boniface, Director of Human Resources & Legal, The National Trust
• Rob Sutton, Diversity Manager, The Environment Agency
• Phillip Hedley CBE, Director Emeritus, Theatre Royal Stratford East

‘How can organisations shift their corporate thinking to embed access and diversity into all working practices?’

Ling Wong’s opinion was that organisations, as part of society, still don’t often look into the intrinsic qualities of people that drive forward diversity change, and organisations need to shift their position and see themselves as part of the community, not outside of it.

Boniface stipulated that organisations should develop a shared understanding of what is meant by ‘access’ and ‘diversity’, then adopt strategies for change that are consistent with the culture they operate within. Senior management should be committed role models.

Sutton explained the challenges faced by The Environment Agency to encompass diversity, and claimed they were tough but necessary, involving a change of image and service delivery in order to attract a range of people.

Hedley felt the process of ensuring accessibility in organisations must run through every thread of action. He quoted Martin Luther King: “Shallow understanding from well-intentioned people is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill-will.”

Audience Q & A insued. Delegates wanted more information on initiating cultural change and increasing diversity amongst the workforce.

Sutton gave examples of his organisation’s experience, such as examination and alteration of the qualification specifications for certain positions, and the re-wording of job adverts so as not to alienate certain groups of people.

One delegate raised the point that while change may be necessary, people need to experience why it is important or it’s meaningless to them.

Click to download a soundbite from Judy Ling Wong or press play below:

Click to download a soundbite from Rob Sutton or press play below:

Stacey Bains, Cultural Diversity Officer, The Herbert.

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Karen Brookfield, Deputy Director (Policy and Research), Heritage Lottery Fund.

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• Hamza Vayani, Chief Executive, Youth Voice
• Andy Kelly, Young Roots Coordinator, Heritage Lottery Fund
• Caroline Gleaves, Youth Arts Manager, Trafford Youth Service
• Marika Spence, performed in the community play on day one of the conference and is involved with Trafford Youth Service

It is essential to engage and inspire young people about heritage if the future is to preserve the past. The workshop looked at two issues:

Kelly spoke about the five-year grant-awarded Young Roots programme – a funding provider for young people’s heritage projects. ‘The key to obtaining grants is getting young people participating in projects from the outset.’

Points to consider when bidding include:

• What heritage skills do you have? For example, what is your equipment?
• What personal development skills (e.g. presentation) do you possess?
• What new skills (e.g. drama, dance) can you employ?

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Vayani presented on his work at Leicester-based Youth Voice regarding a project ‘Creating Tomorrow’s Heritage Today’. Young Roots had supported this. It reflected the cultural diversity in Leicester and found ways of involving young people from all backgrounds.

Gleaves gave a short presentation on an arts and heritage project with Quarry Bank Mill in Styal, funded by Young Roots. She stressed the importance of establishing ground rules in partnerships to help build relationships and avoid communication breakdown.

Before the workshop closed, delegates discussed the issues highlighted and gave feedback, raising points such as:

• Be clear about aims and goals
• Manage expectations from both sides
• Make the project relevant to the young people’s lives
• Make the project finite, but what is the value and sustainability beyond?
• Use appropriate specialists
• Ask young people what they want